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By Alex Walker

February 12, 2009

The Killzone Effect

This article is a reader-submitted blog.

EDGE has come in for a rough ride these last few days. The Killzone 2 review (or more accurately score) has shaken the internet to its very core. Among the accusations has been that EDGE is biased against the PlayStation 3, awarding games on that console significantly lower marks than those over the road on the Xbox 360. So the question is,  is this the case?

Using a not quite scientific method, I compiled the scores for every game EDGE reviewed that appears on one system, but not the other, for every issue since E170, the first issue to feature a PS3 review. Indecently, the cover for this issue features the PlayStation 3. Some issues are missing as I don't have each and every one, some feature no platform exclusive reviews and E199 is not included as Future have yet to deliver it to me.

When a game appeared on multiple platforms, it was only included if it indicated that the version tested was either Xbox 360, or PlayStation 3. If no specific version was named as tested, the game was left out. Problems occurred with three games, Astro Tripper, and the Siren games. Astro Tripper is awaiting a fourth review on Metacritic, and the Siren games are not split up by episodes on Metacritic. Astro Tripper was then assigned the average score of the three reviews, and Siren was given the same Metacritic grade for each, since EDGE awarded both the same score.

The results were quite interesting. Some were suggesting that EDGE varied by up to 15 points on PS3 scores, but was pretty much dead on with 360 games. This is a problem when you pick only a few games. When all games were counted, the 48 Xbox 360 games averaged a score of  [6.67] in EDGE and 73.79 on Metacritic. This made for a difference of just over 7 points. The 41 PlayStation 3 games averaged a score of [6.63] in EDGE and 76.78 on Metacritic. This gives us a difference of about 10.5 points.

So, is EDGE hugely biased against the PlayStation 3? I'm afraid the evidence simply doesn't bear that out. The EDGE averages are almost identical, and the difference with the Metacritic scores is close enough as to be meaningless. Yes, PlayStation 3 titles are marked lower than Xbox 360 titles. But nowhere near enough to make a song and dance about.

For those interested, here is the breakdown of every review score:

Xbox 360

E197
56 [6] You’re in the Movies
71 [6] Lips
90 [9] Left 4 Dead

E196
80 [7] Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
93 [9] Gears of War 2

E195
89 [9] Fable II
81 [8] Tales of Vesperia

E194
68 [6] Infinite Undiscovery
82 [8] Viva Pinata: Trouble In Paradise
74 [6] Galaga Legions
82 [7] Castle Crashers

E193
65 [6] Too Human
90 [9] Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2

E192
68 [5] Schizoid

E187
78 [7] Lost Odyssey

E186
75 [7] Frontlines: Fuel of War
55 [4] Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom
73 [6] Beautiful Katamari

E183
91 [7] Mass Effect
77 [8] Mutant Storm Empire

E182
80 [8] Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation

E181
94 [10] Halo 3
85 [9] Project Gotham Racing 4
50 [4] Two Worlds
79 [7] Eternal Sonata

E180
96 [8] Bioshock
78 [7] Moto GP ‘07
68 [8] Space Giraffe
51 [4] Wing Commander Arena

E179
79 [6] Blue Dragon
37 [2] Hour of Victory
56 [6] Tenchu Z

E178
80 [7] Flatout: Ultimate Carnage
76 [7] Overlord

E177
90 [9] Forza Motorsport 2
59 [7] Wartech: Senko No Rondo

E176
69 [5] Boom Boom Rocket

E174
38 [5] Vampire’s Rain

E173
83 [8] Crackdown
73 [5] Battlestations: Midway

E172
53 [5] Dead or Alive Xtreme 2
69 [6] Earth Defense Force 3

E171
79 [7] Lost Planet: Extreme Condition
84 [7] Viva Pinata
64 [6] Phantasy Star Universe
51 [3] Superman Returns: The Videogame

E170
94 [8] Gears of War
89 [6] Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Vegas

3542 [320] 48 games total

73.79 [6.67] Difference of 7.1

PlayStation 3

E198
70 [6] Burn, Zombie, Burn

E197
79 [6] Crash Commando
XX (73) [7] Astro Tripper
70 [6] GTI Club+

E196
87 [6] Resistance 2
62 [5] SOCOM Confrontation
87 [7] Valkyria Chronicles

E195
95 [10] LittleBigPlanet
81 [7] Motorstorm: Pacific Rift
87 [8] Wipeout HD
78 [8] Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice

E193
80 [7] PixelJunk Eden
78 [8] Siren: Blood Curse Episodes 4-12
76 [8] Ratchet & Clank Future: Quest for Booty

E192
78 [8] Siren: Blood Curse Episodes 1-3

E190
94 [8] Metal Gear Solid 4
55 [5] Haze

E189
80 [7] Gran Turismo 5 Prologue

E187
68 [8] Dark Mist

E186
83 [7] PixelJunk Monsters
83 [8] Riff: Everyday Shooter

E185
71 [6] Pain

E184
60 [5] Time Crisis 4

E183
88 [8] Uncharted: Drakes Fortune

E182

89 [8] Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction
75 [5] Folklore
75 [4] The Eye of Judgement

E181
53 [3] Lair
82 [8] Singstar

E180
79 [6] Heavenly Sword
84 [8] Warhawk

E179
77 [6] Calling All Cars

E178
59 [4] Nucleus
85 [8] Super Stardust HD

E174
82 [8] Motorstorm
85 [8] Virtua Fighter 5

E173
74 [4] Formula One Championship Edition

E172
67 [5] Full Auto 2: Battlelines

E171
86 [7] Resistance: Fall of Man
55 [5] Genji: Days of the Blade
78 [6] Ridge Racer 7

3148 [272] 41 games

76.78 [6.63] Difference of 10.5

Barla Von's picture

For me, the Half-Life IP (from the first game, through to EP.2) is still the king of FPS's. Just don't play the console versions!

The game i'm looking most forward to this year is Black Mesa. I would mention HL2 EP.3, but that won't happen this year.

StealthBadger's picture

Whilst this is interesting, I'm not sure the right facts have been compiled for the "biased" argument. I mean, nobody was ever going to decide against buying a ps3 based around "Genji: Days of the Blade" getting a 5 were they?

I think for the comparison to work, you'd somehow need to only look at "big name" titles, but then a discrepency (sp?) in quality of the big titles would mess up the analysis anyway, so it's never going to be possible to do?

That made sense to me...

NickgamertagO1's picture

Good point.

thevulture's picture

Well,as an Edge reader(and indeed collector of the magazine)Since issue#1:

Does the reviews score surprise or anger me?Of course not.do i think it`s fair?Too early to say,so far,i`ve only played the demo.and that was enough to convince me the game is what i`m looking for.I`m hardly likely to base my purchase on a review that was:

-So poorly written i knew Very little about the key Game elements.

-Was "someone"(it did`nt even have the name or initals of person who wrote it,could`ve even been the cleaning lady for all i know)else`s views,after playing video games for past 28 years,i`m fairly sure i can decide for myself.

-Is NOT going to effect my enjoyment/how the game plays etc.It`s just a score.

I own a PS3,do i find L.B.P a 10/10 game?no..it`s not my thing.

I own an xbox,own Halo,was it a 10/10 title?No..the libary level in particular was far too flawed and the escape sequence/warthog escape..just frustrating.

I own an xbox360(elite) Was Halo 3 a 10/10 game?no,but very enjoyable it was.for me?felt like the game Halo 2 SHOULD have been,running on 360 Hardware.

I own a pc,was Command and conquer:Red alert 2 Really a 5/10 game?No,Fantastic fun.

Was G.T.A 3 on PS2 a 6/10 game?i had a real blast on it.Was A V P on the atari jaguar a 4/10 title?it was a fantastic experince.

I buy edge for it`s in depth articles,little more.I`ve met several Edge jurno`s in my time,flashing edge press card`s and a little Too smug for my taste-just because the mag.is aimed more at the games industry than the gamer does`nt make it ANY better or worse than any other.

Any review,If written well,should convey the pro`s+cons of a game,so the reader can decide IF game is worth buying,the score?should be last factor.

If edge is quilty of anything,it is as they were forced to ADMIT "AIRBRUSHING" the Scrrenshots for the orig.XBOX D.O.A game.

Now that kinda practice,in a magazine that claims to be home to the worlds best jurnolism,is FAR more worrying than ANY review score handed out.

Digitiser were somewhat similar,would give BIG titles of the day low review scores(sonics 2+3 spring to mind)Or post anti-Amiga letters(they admitted later to making letters up!)and why?

Just to get a response,letters flooding in.EDGE?NO different,if the letters etc dry up,then magazine stagnates.Sales wise?You take out the advertising revenue and mag.would simply fold,monthly sales figures NEVER been high,Hence the(smug)It`s NOT for everyone"tag.

That`s Not elitism,that`s just covering up.

My advice?Buy the games You want,enjoy `em.leave the arguing over numbers to those who worry about such triva.

Resident evil 5?scoring high so far,yet the 2 level demo.convinced me,it`s NOT the game i had hoped for,am i wrong,just because to someone else it`s amazing?..............

dinosar's picture

Good post and kudos for doing the research. Anyway, to add my two cents...

I wonder if readers of VOGUE get quite so wound up by review scores issued to shampoos? No way is Head & Shoulders a 10 when Herbal Essences only got 8 - for example!

I can't understand why people get so wound up by a review score. If you read EMPIRE (a mag about films) a maximum five stars implies that a film is really good and definately worth a watch. there's no implication that it's the best film ever or even that it's better than something else in a different genre. It's merely a quick indication that it's worth your time. What more can you possibly want from a review than that?

A review is simply an opinion, you don't have to agree with it. But surely if you buy EDGE for the reviews, then you must have some faith in its opinions - otherwise, why not just get Official Playstation Magazine and just read what you want to hear?

JohnC's picture

The comments on that Killzone 2 review, if nothing else, make me ashamed to call myself a gamer. As a professional, it reminds me that gaming is and always will be perceived as a childish pursuit if this is the height of its community.

Of course, I have to remind myself that the comments page of a gaming website is hardly the most representative cross-section of game players, but like any freakshow it tends to attract the most attention.

imding's picture

i want to point out that i strongly disagree with the content of the Kill Zone 2 review, not the score.

i think 7/10 is a solid score and here are my reasons:
Kill Zone 2 is a FPS, therefore it's not reinventing anything, thus no way it's getting a 10 (it's off topic, but i think Halo 3 and GTA 4 don't deserve full socre for the same reason);
Kill Zone 2 is a conventional FPS, it doesn't reinvent anything within the genre, thus i don't think it deserves a 9 either;

so i think a 7 or a 8 is a fair score for the title, we just have to accept that Edge was more dissapointed by the cons than they're pleased with the pros.

however, i do have mix feelings for Edge's review. Metal Gear Solid 4 gets 8/10 and GTA 4 and Halo 3 gets 10/10? i'd like to hear the review writer say it to me face to face, that GTA 4 and Halo 3 were better than MGS 4 in every single aspect (surely, if something gets a full score, it must better all that don't). i mean, com'on, MGS 4 better any game in presentation.

PS. i'm not complaining about MGS 4 getting an 8, again, i think that's a solid score. i just can't accept it while other games, which clearly are way behind MGS 4 in certain aspects, get full scores.

Alex Walker's picture

Halo brought a host of new features to console FPS's, and implemented them impeccably well. I honestly couldn't comment on GTA 4 though, since I stopped playing on the first island and never got around to going back on.

Also, no one seems to mention the Mario Galaxy and Orange Box scores, and the latter caused a bit of a fuss back then. Have we come to feel that they were about right, or have people simply forgotten?

I feel that EDGE has justified each [10] that it has awarded, but at the end of the day, scores don't matter. The important part is the review itself.

Bleak Corner's picture

I played GTA4 until I got tired of the endless driving to replay a certain mission I had failed before due to the physics and bad camera. The game simply isn't a 10 and it's understandable that people have a desire to discuss Edge's way of rating games as it seems to change every month.

Take Flower for example. While the game definitely is short, it has no flaws... it's an experience - something you'd think Edge would understand in light of certain other reviews. Yet, they give it a 7.

themule's picture

I think an article like this is a first. I don't know how Edge accepts somebody out of their writting staff to be their "handkerchief of tears". Maybe they should hire this guy to write reviews, at least he seems to put more effort into what he writes.

monkfishjoe's picture

In response to Midnightshade and Tycalibre (tyCalibre first) - I think it is brave because a lot games magazines/sites would fear the kind of backlash this review would generate - and if Edge honestly thought it was a 7, it was 'brave' of them to say so. Also, a lot of games journo's these days seem to have lost thier balls! For example 'Eurogamer.net (which I read quite a lot of articles on, and respect) seem to be giving everything an 8 at the moment. For me, that's a safe score. Good enough to not enrage the fanboys, yet not so good that it puts it into another realm of quality.

As for Midnightshades comments. I did say in my post, that I'm not in favour of any of the consoles in particular. To say I'm a MS Fanboy is unfair firstly.

I think you mis-understood what I was saying about the headstart. I meant that dev teams for the 360 have had an extra year of creating 'Next Gen' games, which is a significant amount of time. All developers take time to get used to the new hardware, and with a few exceptions, a lot of games released earlier in a consoles life are not as good as those released later on. That year means game devs for the 360 have a headstart over thier PS3 rivals. I'm not saying an extra 12 months guarentees better games, but it certaily helps to created technically tighter games, that exploit the new consoles extra grunt (be it in graphics, size of play area or AI). Also, there's going to be a years worth of extra games on the console (some that will be pap, but some that may be quite decent).

At the end of the day, it's down to taste and choice. I feel, as a multiplatform gamer there are more games on the xbox that I want to play (just), but that some of the PS3 exclusives are better (LBP).

SO there you have it.

Tom_Warden's picture

I do understand some PS3 owners getting upset by this score, it’s a natural side effect of hype that the producers and press generate about games.

Let's be clear about the hype first, it was pretty enormous, I for one will never forget that first trailer, people have been waiting years for this game and many will have shelled out on a PS3 in anticipation of its release. Failing that, it may well have been a major factor (if not the deciding factor) in many more owners’ decision to purchase the platform. The marketing men involved have all done a great job of cajoling the public into wanting this game and it is probably fair to say that expectations were sky high (maybe orbital) for this title.

To then be told that the game is may not live up to your expectations is at best a little disappointing. If however you have been planning your life around a game’s release, as I suspect more than a few fans have been, then this same score could be crushing news resulting in prepubescent-esque rants on the Internet.

What I would say to those who are currently venting their hatred at Edge is simply this, Edge’s score is only an opinion. I'm sure the editor of Edge doesn't care if you go out and buy a game even if they recommend you save your money and vice versa. It is in fact this very reason that makes Edge worth reading in the first place, it is unadulterated opinion, they are prepared to speak their minds even if everyone else disagrees, they don't care what you think so you shouldn't care what they think? It is just information for you to process a you choose…

So then I suppose you could consider this kind of reaction not Edge's fault but the natural result of a game that has been over hyped so much so that it can only lead to disappointment. If producers want to avoid this kind of furore in future maybe they should then consider carefully how they promote games because asking Edge to keep their gobs shut and just go along with the rest of the sheep is missing the point completely.

Alex Walker's picture

Planning your life around a release that isn't House of the Dead is a little extreme, but I take your point.

Oddly enough though, I've managed to miss the hype for this one. I've never really had any expectation of this being the second coming, but then again the first game sits un-played on my shelf after 10 months. Perhaps if I'd fired that up I might have been looking forward to this one a little bit more.

I can't blame the marketing men though, if this is as highly awaited as it appears, they have done their job and then some. Even if it ended up being awful, it would still sell by the truck load, so hats off to the PR department. Perhaps they should take over for Sony as a whole, since whoever is in charge of that has been doing a rotten job thus far.

Tom_Warden's picture

I think that the Killzone 2 and the PS3 PR team must be one and the same, think about it, over promising and under delivering.

Regardless, I also think that people have lost sight of what a 7/10 represents. Its a pretty good score, if after 3-4 years work on an undergraduate degree you work would average 70% you would be walking away with a first, hardly a result to be disappointed with. I've played more than a few of Edge's 7/10 and from what I can remember most of them have been well worth while.

MDes1re's picture

It's all rubbish - people soon forget the 'Has the XBox 360 had it?' article of last year etc...
That sparked plenty of accusations of bias - but there have been plenty of people having issues with Edge's scoring system for years.. but it's only ever the single platform titles that cause this kind of stupid furore..

There sure as hell weren't as many complaining about the 5's recieved by Prince of Persia, Mirrors Edge or Saint's Row 2 (All with 80+ marks on MetaCritic) - in fact many would agree that upon time and reflection the 5's weren't that far off - (Though I'd personally disagree with the SR2 review as I had an immense amount of fun playing it)..

Who knows - maybe time will make people realise that Killzone 2 isn't the Second Coming?

DoubleTap's picture

Who knows - maybe time will make people realise that Killzone 2 isn't the Second Coming?
........................................................the point is Sony needed it to be , lets face it in the west we love shooters and MS has 2 monster IP,s Halo & Gears and Sony has what ? In my opinion this game needed to come out last fall Sony needs this IP so badly its untrue .With titles like GTA & Resi Evil now multi plat Sony need this IP to try and add much needed brand value in the west ( according to Jan 09,s NPD Sony has 1 software title in the top 20, COD5 @ # 11 which is so pathetic its sad) BTW Edge are you Sure that title was a six ? more like a five that game is a total mess the good side to it though is the game has got a £25 trade in value !!!!!

Alex Walker's picture

An interesting thought is what the average score for multi-platform titles would be. I reckon it would be in the same region.

JOHN LEIGH's picture

Edge does seem a little out of touch lately, duno why, but they are definately not biased. They deserve more credit than that.

Max's picture

The 360 has been out longer, has this made us more positive to the console? WIth the large amount of people that have a 360, and enjoy it, there are more games on 360 that are aimed at the core audience. Halo fans aren't going to turn to Killzone 2 for a better game, are they?

elpresador's picture

Gears of War 2, Halo 3, CoD4 were not innovative either.

Again, it's the double standard at display here.

Alex Walker's picture

This might help explain why Gears gains points despite the admission that the plot if far from bliss:

'When it actually admits to being tongue -in-cheek, the game delivers in spades. When it thinks it's Citizen Kane, things go spectacularly awry.'

Also, despite the story being not being great, it still provides us with the excuse for the action. The 'A monkey stole my girlfriend' school of thought one might say. Killzone on the other hand doesn't appear to do that if we look at this bit:

'But without the first game’s ambiguities,‭ ‬a sense of humour or even an ounce of‭ ‬intrigue,‭ ‬its story stinks.‭ ‬It’s so slight you could play the levels in random order to‭ ‬little ill-effect.'

Edit - This was supposed to be a reply to the post below by AndyLC.

AndyLC's picture

I think the 7/10 was Edge's stance on "game story MATTERS, narrative is the NEXT GENERATION of gaming! we are going to RATE DOWN THIS FPS MULTIPLAYER GAME ON ACCOUNT OF ITS SINGLE PLAYER STORY"

Like, it is a numerical quantification of their philosophy, a piping red hot brand looking for maverick nerds to sear and claim their own.

monkfishjoe's picture

Firstly, as many people have stated, the game's not even out yet, so shouldn't this debate be postponed til then? (and demos don't count - they're not representative of a whole game).

Secondly, Edge have stated before that there scoring system reflects originality, technical polish and over-all gameplay. Chances are Killzone 2 is a very polished, but thoroughly standard FPS, launched at a time when there are many, many other great FPS's already on the market (most with an original feature or hook). Killzones hype was around the amazing graphics (mostly), but when the novelty of those have worn off, will the gameplay stand up?

Thirdly, as for bias, has anyone thought that the PS3 just might not have the range and depth of quality games yet? A year head start is a big deal, particularly at this stage of the development cycle. The PS3 may or may not get there, but ATM the 360 just edges it on overall range of games (the PS3 has some outstanding games, but on average the 360 probably has more good games)...

Lastly, none of this will probably be read properly as there's no way to fight the fanboys! Nothing wrong with it, but reader bias will always taint this debate (just so you all know, I have all the consoles and have had phases of 'loving' each of them).

Personally I respect Edge and always have. It's a brave thing to give a game like this a 7, whether it's right or wrong!

Midnightshade's picture

Listen to yourself and I quote :"as for bias, has anyone thought that the PS3 just might not have the range and depth of quality games yet? A year head start is a big deal, particularly at this stage of the development cycle. The PS3 may or may not get there, but ATM the 360 just edges it on overall range of games (the PS3 has some outstanding games, but on average the 360 probably has more good games)..."

Thats pure xbox fanboy nonesense. Sony nutures their dev teams all 20+ of them not like the 2 ms has. It doesn't rush it's 1st and 2nd party games to market. I own over 40 ps3 games and they are all great minus maybe 2 games from my collection. Seriously saying that 360 has better games becuase it's been out longer then telling us not to be mad and to stop thisl...You edge fanboys act like snobs and favor the360 it's as clear as day. And to the topic creator.... Lips and banjo are not at the same calibur as Resistance 2, socom, mgs4 and valkyria chronicles..

Gears has the same faults the kz2 reviewer posted and you people fail to see how edge can review that a 9 yet kz2 gets a 7 for a review that had said nothing on the sound, graphics, gameplay and multiplayer. The review was total trash...total trash! And as a final note how is this blog poster under the industry people keynote section?

Tycalibre's picture

How is it brave?

DubsTF's picture

This is not an issue simple enough to be explained away by comparing a handful of review scores. I find it interesting that Edge is pretty consistently accused by plenty of people other than me of having an Xbox bias and yet nobody ever seems to accuse them of having a Playstation bias, LBP scores and accolades notwithstanding. The bias reveals itself in ways far more myriad and subtle than the simple numerical review scores.

Even if you believe them when they say they're not biased, they should care a lot more than they seem to about the APPEARANCE of bias. Soon it won't just be Sony and Nintendo "fanboys" hurling accusations; soon the games industry people who read this site from developers, third party publishers, retailers, and especially from Sony and Nintendo will take notice and when that happens this might as well become the Microsoft equivalent of ThreeSpeech.

Alex Walker's picture

You say that, but I can recall many shouts of Sony bias from the amount of coverage the PS3 received a while back. Some people were foaming at the mouth because of yet another PS3 cover.

DubsTF's picture

Ah, you bring up a good point, and had I thought it'd make a difference I'd have stated in my original post that my opinion is based solely on what I read at this site and what I read at next-gen.biz before it. I am pretty much totally unaware of which systems' games have graced the covers of the dead tree edition more or less often, as I am of any hue and cry there might've been in that edition's letters section, assuming that's where this "foaming at the mouth" occurred.

Rather, my impressions and opinions are based on the frequency and tenor of coverage each system gets at this site, of which the proper reviews with numerical scores are only a small portion. It is my impression that based on these factors Microsoft is getting something only just shy of a full-on ThreeSpeech or "fanboy.com" level of treatment over here, where we see every chest-thumping press release trumpeting sales figures, attach rates and other favorably calculated and carefully filtered statistics regurgitated immediately as though on a direct RSS feed from Microsoft PR HQ, along with every precious utterance from the likes of Greenberg, et. al. (Oh, look! Here's a story about that adorable Cliffy B and what a great sport he's been over that fake Twitter account. Etc.)

Sony, meanwhile, seems to get less coverage overall and is much more often the subject of alarm, hand-wringing and general sarcasm--where was the vitriol exhibited in the KZ2 review when discussing Gears of War 2's cardboard characters and generic story? Maybe it could be argued that Sony just doesn't play the PR game as well as Microsoft--certainly the ubiquity of Windows is much more a triumph of business and marketing than a technological one--but that just brings me back around to my original point about the appearance of bias from a site/publication ostensibly covering the industry at large for the benefit of gamers.

Sorry for not pointing this out before. Like I said, I guess I didn't realize what a difference reading the print edition vs. online might make in these impressions.

Alex Walker's picture

It is interesting to see the differences of Print vs Online.

I'm still getting used to the idea of EDGE having a website that's actually updated, and to be honest, I only started reading the website a couple of days ago, so I can't really speak for EDGE's online content! The foaming of the mouth occurred mainly on the forum, which they have chosen (probably wisely to be honest) to hide from public view.

ChesterCopperpot's picture

As can I.

Nugent's picture

I find it kind of odd that Edge skewers criticism of their KZ2 review in their columns, and then publishes a reader article that defends them. Seriously, if you're going to defend yourself, just publish an article/editorial explaining your views or or add an update to the KZ2 review. This indirect defense of yourself makes it seem like you're either: (a) embarassed, (b) just trying to get more hits; or (c) all of the above.

That said, I don't actually think Edge is biased against the PS3. I think the site, as a whole, is decent, but their reviews stink in general. There is a complete lack of consistency in their reviews. The KZ2 review just happens to be a glaring example of that inconsistency.

Alex Walker's picture

To be fair, this wasn't intended as a defence. I had a pretty good idea that the averages would be roughly the same when I started as thats the impression I've got from 5 years of reading the magazine, but I intended to write the article whatever the outcome. As it turned out, the average review score was nearly identical, and there was only three points difference in the Metacritic one.

Benny_Scrivy's picture

Hello Alex,

First time poster on here. I just thought I'd weigh in on the debate.

I completely trust Edge on their judgement with regards to the score, I have no complaints about that and I can fully understand that everyone has an opinion, including the reviewer. Most people whining about the review will only look at the score and take that relative to other publications, but I have always read the actual writing behind the score to understand it. However, I do think that Edge have been rather bad with their review content as of late. The Killzone 2 review is a very good example of where Edge need to improve. I've been a long time reader of the magazine (first issue I bought must've been back in 96 or something) and I can't help but feel that Edge seem to forget that the reader has not played the game, or at least fully.

Reading the K2 review, the writer has focused on so many aspects of the game but completely fails to mention key elements. It's only because I've played the demo that I know that Killzone 2 is unique with regards to its weighty feel and cover based gameplay. These are either not mentioned, or skimmed over. Considering the developers have put so much effort into the development of these features, it seems strange for a review to focus on storyline. Of course, it's very hard for me to counter any point that Edge makes, as I have not played more than the demo and for all I know, there is no gameplay after the first chapter and so it makes sense to focus on other aspects, but this still needs to be mentioned.

To me, that is the real reason for the outcry. We've all played Gears, we've all played Halo 3 and we've all played Call of Duty. None of these games are starlets at imagination or storyline, yet because the review has failed to differentiate what brings the score down for Killzone 2 compared to the other games, people accuse the magazine of bias.

This is the reason why Edge is now a supplement review, usually an anchor score so I don't bite the hype, rather than my sole information supply. We are not informed enough, the justifications behind the scores (which regardless of what people say, are important to me as it will effect where my money goes) are not clear.

Cheers,
Benny

Nuno Figo's picture

Excellent comment, Benny.

Just like you, I've been reading Edge for a long time. I've allways enjoyed the way they covered the videogame industry , articles of opinion and their profound respect and cellebration of videogames past.
On the other hand, I've allways found their reviews lacked the same quality of the rest of the magazine.

And, as you clearly state, I also believe Edge's reviews have become worse with the passing of time.

Indeed, many (not all) reviews look like they were written with absolutely no respect for the reader/gamer: The KZ2 you use as an example; the Resistance2 review, 50% of it was about the way non-scripted behaviour was odd on one level; the old (and absurd) God of War II review; among others.
Nothing is written about the game core mechanics. Criticism about details or irrelevant issues abounds.

Editorial consistency on reviews is also a problem.
Take Metal Gear Solid 3 (Snake Eater) review. Re-read it, if you have it on archive. Now compare it with the Killzone2 review...
Where is the editorial line? How can one crush the review of a FPS shooter due to lack of story and on the other hand not give a 10 to MGS3 due to its story (you may like it or not, but it HAS story, a bigger one than any other game).
Now pick KZ2 again and read it against Gears of War 2. Suddenly, story is irrelevant. Gears of War 2 is praised for... its action scenes and... stuff.

Consistency and respect... I think Edge lost some of this.
"The best game journalism in the world"... it states on the banner. No, it's not.

Tycalibre's picture

Take away the bluster over the score which matters not a jot and you'll find a small group of well educated, unbiased, long time readers of Edge like Benny above who are trying to make a very valid point.

It's not about the 7, it's not about metacritic/edge scores, and while Alex's article is interesting, it's not about bias either. The review was rubbish, if it had given an 8, 9 or 19 it would still have been rubbish. The 7 has just attracted a bunch of people who love to voice their own opinion.

I don't care what K2 or any other game scores in an Edge review. I want reviews that are written for the audience that reads them, that's all. Edge reviews used be brilliantly descriptive of the gaming experience, and genuinely great writing. I'd go through them even if I had no intention of playing the games whatsoever, and I'd feel like I had after reading them.

Benny's clearly no fanboy, and his commentary is depressingly accurate. But unfortunately because of the nature of forums like this and the "flame on" attitude, it won't be read and given the consideration it deserves by many.

I hope somebody at Edge has taken notice, and stopped to think about whether he is right.

"Edge seem to forget that the reader has not played the game"

I applaud you good sir.

Trident4711's picture

I agree with a lot what you say. Perhaps some journalists at Edge are just to jaded and full of themself not to bother to write reviews from the gamer perspective but from some elitist view.

I am not buying this bias speak. It is probably just coincidents that some PS3 flagship titles get dragged in the mud and some of Microsofts are praised. But the headline of this article http://www.edge-online.com/news/ps3-decreased-demand-slams-sony made me wonder where this sad excuse of a journalist was coming from. If that journalist had bothered to read the few pages that concerned games in the financial report (which were available at the time) he would know that it was not the PS3 demand that slammed Sonys result, it was pretty much on target for Sony. PS2 and PSP demand on the other hand failed to meet expectations, so a correct title would have been "Sales of PS2 and PSP slams Sony". Edge is definitely not what it used to be.

NickgamertagO1's picture

Bottom line; you can't argue numbers. Unless the numbers that were posted in this blog were inaccurate (I don't think edge would have highlighted this blog if they weren't) they proof is right there. A difference of a mere 3 points is not biased and if the games that happen to have a gross difference between the Edge and Metacritic scores that also happen to be games you feel strongly about (whether you've played them or not ^^) that's just you getting your feelings hurt, not clear and blatant bias on Edge's part.

dreamhunk's picture

lets compare kill zone 2 to crysis. lets just how good the game play really is

squazzil4's picture

Edge is a piece of crap. Look...... they gave DOAX2 a five. That game really deserved half a point 1/2 . I find that personally offensive. IMO killzone 2 looks pretty bland

TheFray9's picture

this doesnt prove shit!
they r still biased

this typing below is how much lower edge's score is than the average on metacritic of these games

Resistance 2 : -27 points
Folklore: -25 points
Eye of Judgement: -35 points
Lair: -23 points
Killzone 2: -22 points

stop being biased edge

savagehenry's picture

Go read the article on metacritic, here

What I took from this article is, because the method of reaching the score is unknown. How could it possibly be comparable with Edges reviewing and scoring technique. Edge in my opinion has its own method and that's is what sets it apart from the rest. And as Alex has pointed out, many of the score could be seen as similar, with only slight differences. In some case the difference is so negligible that it hard to see what the fuss is about.

How can you trust a one man operation with corporate sponsors (CNET) to be asked to voice an accurate and unbiased opinion, isn't Doyle just as susceptible to his own bias and prejudices as the rest of us? I understand metacritic score are based on a broad range of opinions from a broad range of sources although we're not allowed to know which ones, which raises suspicions. In comparison Edge are trustworthy and have a proven track record and more importantly are respected with the industry. I certainly don't think of them as elitist or biased.

The main difference is their appeal. Edge have always been industry specific although it has always occupied space in the mainstream also. I admire their individualism, they're always been selective about what is reviewed and the process is taken very seriously, which is evident in their writings.

savagehenry's picture

To Everyone: So it's all started again, on another thread this time. Why can't we all be a bit more tolerant of one another ?

Alex makes the case that things really aren't that bad then you clowns jump all over it. Why?

I don't think it's isolated to PS3 owner at all, both ps3 and xbox360 owners that are that so completely biased about the success and stature of the own systems need there bloody heads banging together it's both egotistical and arrogant in my opinion. Why can't we just take each system on its merit.. There is nothing wrong with either system in my opinion.

But ultimately what has happened here this week in part due to other sites attacking Edge, it's not fanboyism it's just unfortunate that it happened on PS3 thread as so many of the flame wars do. But 9 pages? Come on guys!!!

Lots of tourists, that's the worst thing. people coming here to give members a load of grief then the go back own forums to gloat... It's really quite pathetic.. We should all be ashamed of ourselves for being so prejudice. It is much easier to be respectful of one another and each other's opinions than spend all this time arguing and make ourselves look like misinformed idiots.

Anonymous's picture

Lots of tourists, that's the worst thing. people coming here to give members a load of grief then the go back own forums to gloat... It's really quite pathetic.. We should all be ashamed of ourselves for being so prejudice. It is much easier to be respectful of one another and each other's opinions than spend all this time arguing and make ourselves look like misinformed idiots.

Henry - Pot calling the kettle black?

savagehenry's picture

Really.. Henry a tourist or misinformed idiot.. please explain ?

savagehenry's picture

Cell Processor.. It'll be switched on and warmed up later...

eats_shoots_leaves's picture

"Shaken the internet to its very core"? You could be spot-on about KZ2 for all I know, but f***ing get over yourself.

Amateurs.

ironman tetsuo's picture

Some people "get" sarcasm, some don't......

NegativeZero's picture

It's a reader submitted blog. Says so at the top, bro.

ironman tetsuo's picture

fanboys of any hardware really start to make me feel ashamed to be interested in the same hobby sometimes (and a hobby is all it is people!), I can positively feel my IQ dropping the more replies to the review I read, so I’ve decided to stop and leave a final comment of my own to part with.

is it worse than it used to be or does the power of the internet just make it all clearer to see?

If you have found yourself incensed by the 7/10 KZ2 score then it's time to ask yourself this question:
What difference does it really make to your life/enjoyment of the game/the future of the PS3?*

If you're still mad then forget the score and take from the review the message it clearly put forth (to me at least, a literate and unbiased reader):
"if you like FPS games then KZ2 is a very polished example "
do you really need any more of a recommendation?
do you really need somebody else to tell you that what you enjoy is "the best thing ever" before you can appreciate it fully?

*the answer of course is none
if you didn't arrive at this conclusion may I suggest you either have a screw loose or warped perspective of the real priorities in your life

fermcr's picture

Everybody know that this generation of ps3 fanboys are whiners and crybabies, always complaining about something. All I hear is that PS3 games are underrated and X360 games overrated. A ps3 fanboys even posted some games from the PS3 …

“87 [6] Resistance 2
87 [7] Valkyria Chronicles
95 [10] LittleBigPlanet
81 [7] Motorstorm: Pacific Rift
76 [8] Ratchet & Clank Future: Quest for Booty
94 [8] Metal Gear Solid 4
80 [7] Gran Turismo 5 Prologue
88 [8] Uncharted: Drakes Fortune
89 [8] Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction
75 [5] Folklore
84 [8] Warhawk
86 [7] Resistance: Fall of Man”

Aren’t there scores from X360 exclusives underrated…
80 [7] Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
93 [9] Gears of War 2
82 [7] Castle Crashers
78 [7] Lost Odyssey
91 [7] Mass Effect
79 [7] Eternal Sonata
96 [8] Bioshock
79 [6] Blue Dragon
83 [8] Crackdown
94 [8] Gears of War
89 [6] Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Vegas
And you can find more of them… SO WTF IS THE BIG DEAL. Maybe Edge are harsh reviewers, maybe the game is not that good… so what!!!! it’s just one review.

I have the impression for some time that ps3 fanboys think they are superior to others, and should have the best software (even if it means by force and intimidation) and everyone should idolize the ps3 as a gaming platform…
What the hell is wrong with these fanboys … they look like little brats always whining when something does not go their way. GROW UP !!!!

There are harsh reviews for Wii, X360 and PC exclusives, but we do not see their fanboys always whining, crying, bashing and intimidating the review site.

Sincerely, I think the ps3 fanboys are the worst kind of fanboys I have ever seen.