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Sony Clarifies Move Pricing, Microsoft Defends Kinect's
Sony has clarified PlayStation Move pricing and launch offerings for the UK market.
The PlayStation Move Pack, including one Move controller, a PlayStation Eye camera and a starter disk will retail for £49.99. Confirmed contents for the starter pack include an instructional video for setting up the hardware, along with playable demos of Sports Champions, Start The Party, The Shoot, EyePet: Move Edition, TV Superstars, Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 11, echochrome ii, Tumble and Beat Sketchers.
The standalone Move controller will cost £34.99, the PS Eye camera £24.99, and the Move sub-controller £24.99. The company also pointed out that Move games can be played using one Move controller, and that a regular PS3 pad can be used instead of the Move sub-controller. Move is set to launch in Europe on September 15.
Meanwhile, Microsoft has said that its rival motion control offering, Kinect for Xbox 360, is “very competitively priced".
Set to launch in November, the Kinect sensor will retail for £129.99 and come with Kinect Adventures. It will also be bundled with a new Xbox 360 4GB console and Kinect Adventures for £249.99.
"The camera tracks six people – with two active gamers – you don't have to buy anything else,” Microsoft group marketing manager Brett Siddons told TechRadar.
“I'll let you do the maths but when you say Nintendo Wii or PlayStation Move you buy this and this, even for a two player games. What do you need and what do actually have to spend for a two player game for this device versus that device. You actually find that [Kinect] is very competitively priced."
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This is the future..........or is it the past?
Heh, at least this SCAM from the past has something very important over this new one...for starters the game library doesn't SUCK!
I do remember that lol. I think how well something like this will actually work is mostly dependent on how well it actually works. I think Kinect will work definitely better than than this crazy thing, but that's not saying much.
If there's always lag, it's useless if you ask me. They'll come out with a Kinect "plus" down the line that will address the lag issue and everyone will be happy, right Nintendo?
This is a peripheral that I had never seen before, maybe some one can correct me on whether it made it to the UK but I am not sure.
I don't think it did make it to the UK, I certainly don't remember it, and a quick check online seems to suggest it was US only.
There was one point in that video that made me burst out laughing and rewind the video.
That'd be an interesting way to control a video game.
Thanks Alex for clearing that up.
Well, I'm perfectly happy to sit back and wait for both to be released, see what actually is on offer on release day, play the games and then I'll decide which one to buy. If they both really take off with some good games to support them, I may eventually buy both.
Or I might not bother my arse with either of them and instead spend my money on some nice Italian shoes.
How long will it be until reports start coming in about lights breaking of the end of moves controllers. The bob at the end with the skinny connections point looks like an obvious design fault to me. The light should be flush with the end of the handle.
The casing of the bulb is made of soft material in order to defuse any accidental impacts.
I don't quite understand you, why would it break?
The thing is, I don't understand why the Wii is even being mentioned. The quality of games that can come to either upper end systems will dominate the Wii graphically and with better controls. I don't claim to be a hardcore gamer...I am just a gamer. I play all genres and I play for hours each day after work, sometimes with my wife and kids, sometimes without them. I play shooters like the people who claim to be "hardcore", and I play games like Limbo, and even indie games when they catch my eye. I am not casual in my gaming, and I am not an elitist asshole who claims to have better taste than other gamers. I play because it is fun, and I like a lot of fun in my life. Kinect is not out of my price range, so I have no need to search for unimportant flaws to convince myself not to get it. I will get my money's worth the first time I watch my wife play Dance Central, and shake her sexy little hips around.
This is my view. Personally I feel 250 GBP is just too much! For these casual type devices they surely need to be under 200 GBP. The other issue I have is how casual looking is the new Xbox 360? Not very much. For the life of me I do not understand what Microsoft did there. They want to target the casual crowd and then go off and design a console that looks like a hardcore gamers PC! Even the relatively large Kinect camera is not appeasing. Same goes for the name. And how will consumers take to getting the lesser Xbox with a matte-color and only 4 GB storage. I mean the 4GB storage in this day and age is just going to raise massive concerns.
Personally I think Kinect's potential lies in PC navigation through gesture and voice and perhaps something that will be built into a TV. Not games.
The problem sony has is that their solution is clearly a straight 1:1 ripoff of the wii remote (classic sony move) and people will choose the wii over it. I think Microsoft have a shot at the market as at least they are trying something partially innovative.
Now that I have had my say on Microsoft, I think it is only fair I address Sony. I actually think that once people get the Move in their hand, they will easily be able to tell the accuracy and precision that sets apart the Move from the Wii. And when they do that, that will be the best way to sell the product i.e. through an experience. Not marketing sure. But actually as a slow-burner realization. Sony have done the Move in a excellent manner where it has hardly offended anyone and where it's possibilities are endless (check the tech-demos and libraries). I think no-one here will deny it has the more rounded and versatile options for game experiences both core and hardcore.
The other brilliant thing is it pretty much cost Sony little to make. Not all that sophisticated yet the end results (user experience) seems overly positive. If the developers start to incorporate it into their games (i.e. Dead Space and Killzone 3) and do that well the Move has a chance.
I still think though they need to get their pricing sorted. 24.99 GBP for the Wand, 14.99 for the Navigation Controller, 14.99 GBP for the PlayStation Eye and 49.99 GBP with a 'full' game and demo disc plus PlayStation Eye, Navigation Control and Wand would be much much better! Pricing is an issue. I mean to get the PS3 Motion experience you will have to pay 300 GBP which is pretty much not on.
>>> The other brilliant thing is it pretty much cost Sony little to make.
Brilliant for whom? Why should any consumer care about this?
What's innovative about kinect? The Eye Toy was doing the same thing back on the PS2.
You are also presuming that people have to decide one or the other. I haven't been interested in the Wii enough to buy one but I am interested in Move because I will be able to play the fun party games when friends are round and also be able to use if for shooters etc. The last point being something that neither the Wii can offer (HD games) or Microsoft (no "core" titles will be Kinectable at launch).
The people I have seen around the net have been almost entirely negative about Kinect AS IS. There is obviously some real potential there, but it seems Microsoft haven't realised much of it in their rush to capture some of the Wii's success.
I personally think MS & Sony are closing the stable door after the horse has bolted with their new tech, but it's good for us existing owners who can reap the benefits of it.
Why does everyone keep saying no "core" games will work with Kinect? Fable 3 is a core game. Forza is a core game. Ugh...obviously people who have PS3 shouldn't bother buying a 360 to play Kinect. Same for 360 owners. We aren't going to buy a PS3 just to get Move. If you are happy with the console you have, and the experience you get with it (huge online options for 360, bluray for PS3) then none of this matters. You should just check out how cool the new gameplay will be for your system, and don't worry about what other people are playing. For anyone who has no system, then sure, they have a decision to make, but they have waited until the end of the console life, so they obviously aren't avid gamers.
Play what you love.
I totally agree with you about just playing what you enjoy. I just resent yet more MSBS being heaped on people with a device that apparently still doesn't work properly. History repeating it seems.
My point about "core" games was that you can play the likes of Gran Turismo, Killzone 3 & Socom with Move. I didn't know you could play Forza with Kinect but it seems MS have only really thought about Kinect only software for it's launch, rather than adapting other games.
I think what people mean are there are no core Kinect games. Fable 3 will have only limited compatibility with the device. That it is released before Kinect confirms this.
Forza 4 might well be a Kinect title, but looks absolutely horrible. You can either hold your arms out to steer, which is as daft a control scheme as I've ever seen, or you can walk around the cars if you're playing in a warehouse. The only hope you have is that the head tracking works well.
Either way, enough to splash £130?
What happened to the early videos of someone playing a racing game where they were changing gear with their left hand SAT on a sofa?
I'm sure they said it was capable of tracking individual finger movements.
The early videos were mock ups, no actual games existed.
It might be capable of tracking finger movements, but Turn 10 haven't shown anything like that. You steer by turning left or right by up to 30 degrees, although that didn't stop the demo guy turning much more than that.
So Sony release "fun party games" at launch but MS are rushing to capture some of the Wii's success.
But if MS arent releasing any kinectable games at launch then how does that work?
I'll reserve judgment on Move and Kinect until I've tried both for myself.
Although by looking at the motion titles for both the Move and Kinect that might never happen.
QSo Sony release "fun party games" at launch but MS are rushing to capture some of the Wii's success.
A"I am interested in Move because I will be able to play the fun party games when friends are round
<<< AND ALSO >>> be able to use if for shooters etc."
Where did I say MS are rushing to capture some of the Wii's success ? Seems you just pasted different parts of my comment together out of context for some reason to maybe paint me as being impartial. Guess what you sensitive little fanboy, we are all consumers and have no reason to be impartial.
Q "But if MS arent releasing any kinectable games at launch then how does that work?"
You are now suggesting I said that there would be no Kinect games? You see if you make crap like that up about the comment above you, you will end up looking pretty silly.
A (no "core" titles will be Kinectable at launch)."
By this point I was beginning to wonder just how cheap crack must be where you live.
Oh deary me..... you must have spammed this thread with so many comments that your forgetting what you have said now.
You asked me: "Where did I say MS are rushing to capture some of the Wii's success ? "
You said it here: "The people I have seen around the net have been almost entirely negative about Kinect AS IS. There is obviously some real potential there, but it seems Microsoft haven't realised much of it in their rush to capture some of the Wii's success."
You also said to me: "You are now suggesting I said that there would be no Kinect games? You see if you make crap like that up about the comment above you, you will end up looking pretty silly."
You said that here: "The last point being something that neither the Wii can offer (HD games) or Microsoft (no "core" titles will be Kinectable at launch)."
Oh, so in an entirely different post I said MS & Sony were trying to get some of Nintendo's success. NO S**T!!!! What is the issue here? I DID NOT WRITE THIS IN THE POST YOU REPLIED TO, nor did I suggest MS were doing it and not Sony, so what the hell is your problem?
As you have quoted me, actually point out what you think is wrong in that quote & don't try to twist my words.
I detect an insecure fanboy here methinks...
No he just used your words to make you look like a bit of a Boris Johnson. Oh and my insecure fanboy detector is going off and it's not pointing in his direction.
For the record, Natal and Move will fail although it will hit MS harder as they aren't making money on the units.
"No he just used your words"
Exactly my point, he didn't use my words. He took different words out of context, added a bit of bullshit, then tried to claim I was unfairly criticising poor Microsoft,
Seen as you're obviously sharing the same brain cell, kindly point out exactly where in the post that HE replied to I said the things he claimed.
I know you aren't allowed to criticise anything MS related on these pages, but what the hell. I don't bash MS for the sake of it, I don't blindly praise Sony. I own both systems. I AM NOT A FANBOY.
With regards to your final paragraph - you would make an excellent analyst (a.k.a. Bull*****er)
There so you admit yourself that you singled out and criticized Microsoft's motivation for releasing a motion controlled device when BOTH Sony and MS are chasing after the same piece of the Wii market by way of "fun party games".
Why pick on and single out Microsoft?
If your going to criticize companies on moving into this market then you should do so fairly, otherwise you WILL be noted as a fanboy on these forums.
The great Greedo has spoken.
If you would care to READ my post, I was being even-handed.
If you had read my posts (and not twisted what I said), you would see that I was very fair (or as can be, given the fact that the MS offering doesn't work properly!). You would have noticed that I said that Sony & MS were going down the party game route, only aside from the fact that Sony's Move is supposed to have very goodaccuracy as opposed to Kinects lag issues, you can play "core" titles AS WELL.
It's all there if only you would care to read it!
If you are so offended by people being biased to one console or another, why not jump down Grognard's throat for his bias against Sony? Could it be that you feel the same way?
Think what you want to think, I own both systems, I am not a fanboy - I actually loathe them. MS pull a hell of a lot af cheap stunts on their customers across all their businesses. I praise them where it's due, but will not take crap off them, or fanboys on the internet.
The Eye Toy was doing menu navigation and user identification/automatic sign in, jump in/jump out gameplay combined with voice commands on PS2? MS already had their Eye Toy clone with the Vision Camera; this goes way beyond that. If it was the same technology, games like Dance Connect and Your Shape Fitness Evolved would have come out long ago for Eye Toy.
Even if you don't like the casual emphasis MS has placed on this technology (I don't like that either), it's really quite silly to say it's not innovating any more than the Eye Toy. That would be like saying the Space Shuttle didn't innovate any more than the horse drawn buggy since they both have wheels and are used for transportation.
My point was that it is an evolution of similar technology, whereas one of the previous posters said it was innovative. There is a big difference.
I tried to make my points about Kinect fairly. People will have pretty much decided by now if they are getting it or not and to those who are - good luck to you.
Blah blah blah.
Show us the killer motion apps.
Nintendo have been trying for 4 years now and the closest they've come is Wii Sports!
What that flop? Pah!
:D
Mario, Metroid, Zelda all feature some very inovative and very well done motion play into their mix. There are other gems scattered about as well. The technology is there but few are willing to really get to grips with it.
None of them are a killer app for motion control though. All could have been done just as well with a GameCube pad, Zelda in fact proving that point. Wii Sports still stands as the best showcase for the technology.
That does not mean that the gamecube control is preferable. Hell i can not play my Metroid prime 1 and 2 discs any more. I was kind of forced to buy the trilogy version because the control scheme was so not intuitive and outdated and Prime 3 "spoiled" me. Once you get to play properly developed games with motion controls there is just no going back (depending on genre).
Prime 3 is the way FPS should control with a remote, but to be honest, I wouldn't say 1 & 2 are unplayable with a pad. But then I play shooters regularly with a pad.
It seems like I'm debating quite a bit with you lately Alex-
I too control FPSs with pads and do quite well with it but the problem with Prime 1 was that there was no dual analog. The left stick controlled walking and turning, if you wanted to strafe or "look" you had to hold one of the triggers down. So "circle strafing" was impossible. It was a broken control scheme for a game from the first person. It "worked" but it was struggle at times. Boss encounters for example where the boss would charge at you and you had to get out of the way, run to where it was just standing, turn around, then shoot before it would stop running and turn around to charge again was a challenge due to the busted controls, not the boss's difficulty. Instead of just simply strafing to your right or left, running forward, then circle strafing around to shoot you had to turn to your right, run straight, turn to your left, run straight, get to the end and do a full 180 while just standing in place. By that time he's already turned around and ready to charge.
It seems ikaruga's statement made sense only when referring to a FPS that already has a broken control scheme anyway. If Prime 1 had dual analog then the jump from that to wii-mote wouldn't have been a good one, playable, but not necessarily better.
I want to see someone play a fast-paced shooter like Halo or Gears with something like a Wii mote and see how well they actually do. It might be more "fun" or feel like you're actually shooting a weapon, but you're going to get smoked by someone with a dual analog pad.
I would say for FPS, mouse and keyboard would be out wands for the simple fact that you can only turn accurately so fast with a wand and still aim properly. Just my thoughts though.
I disagree fully. The problem you say with Prime 1 not having circle strafing is of course false. The game DID had circle strafing but you needed to hold down the lock on button to do so. You think this is a bad control scheme but you would be wrong because Metroid is NOT an FPS and it is commonly mistaken for one. It is an adventure-action game very much like Zelda but viewed through a first person camera and this is the one and only similarity it shares with a common FPS. The controls are the best i have ever experienced for a game of this nature....for a normal controller. Wii controls easily beats it down like ANY other console control scheme, from Call of Duty to Resident Evil 4 to Scarface, you name it.
ikaruga-
Ok, you were able to "lock-on" to an enemy which would allow you strafe around them but when you're in a situation where you're not "locking" onto an enemy and need to run away from them and turn around you were forced to do the RE4 "run, stop, turn, run, stop, turn".
I played and finished Prime 1 and loved it. I'm a huge Metroid fan and although I hated the control scheme and the dumb-it-down lock-on gameplay so you didn't have to actually manually aim at your enemies the rest of the game more than made up for it. The game was one of the best games I had played since Super Metroid. If the game had dual analog instead of using the right stick as a weapon switch I would have enjoyed it even more.
I think the game could have been even better if they would have allowed a dual analog for those who wanted it. If I was walking down stairs that had multiple 90 degree angles or just navigating corridors dual analog would have been a welcome adition. Instead you would have to fake it by continually switching between your lock and un-lock which required you to momentarily stop between lock/un-lock and it was just clunky.
edit: Talking about Prime 1 brings back memories. If you liked Kenji Yamamoto's sweet music from Prime 1, check out this link to the website OC remix (people make free remixes of video game music) http://ocrmirror.iiens.net/files/music/remixes/Metroid_Prime_JustaLittle... .
Nice one...you've just made Yamamoto sans day...he lives next door but one from me and we've just had a barby. He's very flattered \o/
First of all thanks for the links, i was already aware of them but thanks anyway since i too am a junkie for the Metroid franchise.
Now for the rest of the post i do not believe that an option to turn dual analog control would enhance gameplay in any way. In fact i think it would detract from it a great deal. Why? Because the environments and enemies of Prime were to be traversed and killed with the control scheme we all know. Having an option to turn on dual analog control would instantly change the game into something else and a complete pushover. Samus is no run and gun type, she is methodical, she makes a lot of scans and she explores the environment thoroghly through every nook and cranny. A dual analog system would take away these characteristics. As for your difficuly to turn around (through lack of a quick turn button) well then the morph ball can be used for much more than simply going through small holes ;). Holding down on the analog ould make you face backwards instead of forwards but you indeed had to go through morphing first (but it was a win win situation because the ball is fast and it would serve to back away real quick).
You're welcome.
Well personally, I struggled with the control scheme but I've been dual-analoging for a long time and losing the ability to look up/down, strafe, and turn at the same time took a bit getting used to. You could fake it or look-on and I do think the way the enemies moved around the environment would have made it difficult to manually aim at them but I just would have welcomed the addition of dual-analog if wanted to use it. But like I said, it was one of the best gaming experiences I had ever regardless of the control scheme.
Or check out this link for some more nice Metroid tunes. Magmoor Caverns is my personal favorite, I think it was Norfair's music from Super Metroid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQCZIb0fbt8&feature=related
I guess that shows how long it is since I've played Prime 1! In that case, I can see why the Wii version would be a marked improvement, but as you say, just adding in dual analogue would be just as big a leap.
Definitely.
Hark is that the next XBOX I can see on the 2011 horizon?
I may be wrong in saying this but the fact that Microsoft has to come out again to defend their product shows to me that even they do not have much confidence in its price.